Schöne Uhr! Shangri La war der Name einer Modellreihe von Rado Damenuhren mit Automatikwerk von den 1960ern bis in die 1980er. Die einzelnen Modelle sind vom Design her völlig verschieden und haben außer dem Modellnamen und einem Automatikwerk kaum etwas gemeinsam. Deine dürfte aus den späten 1970ern/frühen 1980ern stammen. Ohne Foto vom Werk und vom Bodens(Rückseite) kann ich nicht viel mehr dazu sagen. Die Krone ist völlig rund und sollte getauscht werden. Wenn du sie regelmäßig tragen willst, solltest du sie zum Service schicken. Dabei wird das Uhrwerk gereinigt, geölt und justiert,, dann hast du wieder ein paar Jahre Ruhe. Beim Rado-Kundendienst ist das extrem teuer aber das kann auch jeder gute Uhrmacher günstiger. Wenn du keinen kennst, kannst du mit Hemmerling in Calau Kontakt aufnehmen, mit dem habe ich gute Erfahrungen gemacht.
Wenn du sie regelmäßig tragen willst, solltest du sie zum Service schicken. Dabei wird das Uhrwerk gereinigt, geölt und justiert,, dann hast du wieder ein paar Jahre Ruhe. Beim Rado-Kundendienst ist das extrem teuer aber das kann auch jeder gute Uhrmacher günstiger. Wenn du keinen kennst, kannst du mit Hemmerling in Calau Kontakt aufnehmen, mit dem habe ich gute Erfahrungen gemacht. Ein neues Plexiglas kostet auch nur ein paar €, das würde ich bei der Gelegenheit mitmachen lassen. Das Gehäuse läßt sich vorsichtig mit einer milden, handelsüblichen Silberpolitur sehr schön aufpolieren, die Goldauflage war damals recht hoch.
Wirtschaftlich gesehen dürfte das den Wert der Uhr vermutlich übersteigen, da Damenuhren kaum gesammelt werden und daher auch schwer zu verkaufen sind. Andereseits gefällt sie dir, ist ein Erinnerungsstück an deine Oma und eine wirklich gute neue mechanische schweizer Uhr bekommst du für den Gegenwert eines Service nicht.
Ca. 1965 könnte grob hinkommen, eher zwei, drei Jahre älter.. 817 ist die Referenznummer und sie ist in einem deutschen Katalog von 1962 gelistet, den ich besitze. 162.- DM sollte sie damals kosten und das war eine Menge Geld in einem Jahr, in dem das Durchschnittseinkommen bei 7.328.- DM im Jahr lag.
Ich wünsche dir mit der Uhr jedenfalls noch viel Freude!
Congrats on that nice find! The Rado Minister is a very rare bird, this is just the second one I´ve seen inner many years. The other one is the green dialed one in the register on mission-rado.de. I have just a very little info for you. From what I can see on your pics, it s looks to be all original and in reasonable condition. The 12120 on the back is the reference number, which dates the watch before 1972, when the 8-digit reference numbers(xxx.xxxx.x) came. I assume it´s from 1970/71 with a nice ETA 2789 day/date inside. You should have it serviced(cleaning, oiling, adjusting) if you want to wear it regularly. Little scratches on acrylic crystals can be polished out easily with a peace of cork and some chrome polish. Nice that the original crystal with the little anchor is still present. Enjoy it and wear it in health!
I´ve put the two threads together as they´re about the same watch.
Last not least, the new Esenza Touch for the ladies with an interesting gimmick: It has no crown, the time is to set by touching the left and the right side of the case.
Details are described in Rado´s press release:
Zitat Rado Esenza Ceramic Touch - The world’s first portable ceramic touch device
Simplicity is the ultimate sophistication
(Lengnau, Switzerland – April 2013) Many have dreamed it but Rado has made it a reality. A touch controlled watch in full ceramic – and this one is made exclusively for women. The latest technology and the most emotional of all the human senses unite for this unique, stand-out product .
Not many companies develop new technology aimed specifically at women. Rado shows itself once again to be both typically unconventional, and streets ahead of the competition with the Rado Esenza Ceramic Touch.
Controlled by the gentle press and sweep of a finger along the side of the case – left for hours and right for minutes – time can be made to fly by or can be turned back in a single stroke.
Easy to manipulate and a delight to behold this is the ultimate lady’s watch. It may have no crown but is still fit for a queen and there’s no danger of ruining your manicure.
Developed specially by the Rado design team and drawing on years of touch technology from within the Swatch Group as well as our own expertise in high-tech materials, this watch is both hard – it’s made in full high-tech ceramic – and soft – the case is a gently curved oval – all at the same time. Not only will the watch retain its brilliant shine over the years, it also benefits from an extended battery life of up to 4 years: much longer than a standard quartz watch.
Sensual setting
The monobloc construction of the case, the production of which is carried out under high pressure using a sophisticated injection process, ensures the success of the ceramic touch technology.
A watch case made from metal would act as a shield between the outside world and the circuits inside. As high-tech ceramic is an insulator this watch gives the wearer the power to influence the electrical circuit at its heart. The electrodes can ‘feel’ the presence of a fingertip on the case through the ceramic.
As this watch is all about touch, it should be worn on the wrist during setting, the skin in contact with the stainless steel case back ensures that the Rado Esenza Ceramic Touch becomes an extension of the body.
The six new models in this collection - three black and three white - represent the first references in a series of product developments to come.
More than 50 years ago Rado revolutionised the watch industry with its use of unconventional materials. In 2013 Rado has taken the same risks needed to be successful all those years ago and the result is a world first.
Simplicity at its most sophisticated.
Zitat Rado Esenza Ceramic Touch – Technical description
The science behind touch-sensitive timing
(Lengnau, Switzerland – April 2013) Rado has introduced a breakthrough in timing technology with the launch of the new Rado Esenza Ceramic Touch. The Rado technical and materials teams worked with a team of watchmaking experts to ensure the touch sensitive technology was flawless – just like the design of the watch.
Rado’s more than 25 years of expertise with ceramic was an immediate advantage as ceramic is a natural insulator. As ceramic does not conduct electricity it is an ideal material for a touch sensitive device.
The quartz movement, made up of a number of essential components, includes two chips, which are loaded with the software that governs the watch. The movement sits neatly inside the high-tech ceramic case. Nestled between the movement and the monobloc ceramic case are four electrodes, positioned at 2, 4, 8 and 10 o’clock.
When a fingertip influences the electrode through the ceramic case, it acts as a stray capacitor, modifying the frequency of an oscillating circuit.
The detection of the movement of a fingertip in a certain sequence on the case instructs the chip to allow the motor to move the hands, thus allowing the time to be set and reset through touch alone.
The stainless steel case back of the watch is also an essential component as it “connects” the watch to the body, which acts as a reference for the electronic circuit. For this reason – and due to the fact it has no crown – the Rado Esenza Ceramic Touch can and should be worn on the wrist during setting.
A guide to setting the Rado Esenza Ceramic Touch
1. Position the watch on the wrist 2. To activate the touch functions and put the watch into setting mode, touch the case at 8 o’clock for approx. 5 seconds then immediately slide your finger along the right hand side of the case. The watch gives a short ‘beep’. 3. To set the hours, slide your finger along the left hand side of the case in a clockwise direction to move forward and in an anti-clockwise direction to move back one hour. 4. To set the minutes slide your finger along the right hand side of the case in a clockwise direction to move forward and in an anti-clockwise direction to move back. 5. To move the minutes forward faster, maintain pressure on the case at 4 o’clock and at 2 o’clock to move the minutes backwards faster. 6. To exit setting mode touch the watch at 8 o’clock for at least 2 seconds. The watch emits two small ‘beeps’. Setting mode is now deactivated.
Zitat Rado Esenza Ceramic Touch Quartz
Movement 11 ETA F10.101, quartz, 5 jewels, 2 hands, touch without crown, no date Black models Ref: 277.0093.3.071/277.0093.171/277.0093.3.015 Case polished black high-tech ceramic pressed-on stainless steel case back with black PVD coating toric sapphire crystal water-resistant to 3 bar (30m) Dial 071/171 black, jubilé, 4 diamonds, 120/125, Top Wesselton, full cut, 0.028 carat silver coloured printed Rado logo Dial 015 black, 12 rhodium coloured applied indexes silver coloured printed Rado logo Hands rhodium coloured Bracelet 071/015 3-row polished black high-tech ceramic titanium 3-fold clasp Strap 171 black satin fabric stainless steel buckle
White models Ref: 277.0092.3.071/277.0092.3.171/277.0092.3.001 Case polished white high-tech ceramic pressed-on stainless steel case back toric sapphire crystal water-resistant to 3 bar (30m) Dial 071/171 white, jubilé, 4 diamonds, 120/125, Top Wesselton, full cut, 0.028 carat silver coloured printed Rado logo Dial 001 silver, 12 rhodium coloured applied indexes silver coloured printed Rado logo Hands rhodium coloured Bracelet 071/001 3-row polished white high-tech ceramic titanium 3-fold clasp Strap 171 white satin fabric stainless steel buckle
Some nice D-Star models were also displayed at the Baselworld 2013.
The three hands models with date on leather in different dial- and case colours(silver, gold, rosé):
With bracelets, also as chronos with 3 subdials:
Very classy - the chrono version with 2 subdials:
For me the absolute highlight - the D-Star Chronograph Rattrapante/Split Second LE, an absolute beauty. I really would like to own one of these, but it´s far beyond my budget.
Zitat The Rado HyperChrome Glam Slam mini-collection
Gold and diamonds – a Glam Slam winning combination from Rado
(Lengnau, Switzerland – April 2013) This is the mini-collection that fans of glamour and the latest technology have been waiting for, as Rado combines the high-tech materials for which it is famous and some of the world’s most precious substances: diamonds and gold.
And where better to debut these new models than the favourite haunt of supermodels and superstars: Miami. Home of the renowned tennis ‘Glam-Slam’, hot days and glittering nights are the perfect setting for Rado’s latest edition of monochrome magic – each with a very precious twist.
Think big, think bold and think brilliant as that’s what the Rado designers did when creating these new timepieces.
Unrestricted glamour
For gents, gleaming black high-tech ceramic meets pure 18k gold. The two materials form a perfect fusion for a look of undeniable prestige. Just 333 individually numbered pieces of this Limited Edition in yellow gold, and 333 in rose gold have been produced, leaving many collectors disappointed and ensuring that fashion forward watch fans always look their best courtside and poolside.
At Rado the ladies are just as important as the gents and have a choice of two models – each dripping in diamonds. Bezels and side inserts with 181 diamonds are guaranteed to cause a stir and raise an envious eyebrow or two in the VIP box at the tennis tournament, in the club on Ocean Drive or over sunset cocktails on the beach.
Rado is proud to present unrestricted glamour which is practical as well as sparkling. The monobloc construction of the high-tech ceramic cases ensures lightness as well as the superior scratch-resistance which comes as standard with this advanced material.
Glittering, glamorous and very Miami – with its Glam Slam watches Rado is the master of style as well as the master of materials.
Beside the HyperChrome models we already know, there had been the UTC models(2nd time zone), the Court models("summer chronos" with colourful accents) and the Glam Slam models(chronos with massive gold inlays for him and with diamonds for her). Inside the chronographs is an automatic ETA 2892-A2, they are waterprotected up to 10 bar.
Very interesting, a view on the production of a HyperChrome case:
Here the HyperChrome UTC models:
Rado´s press release and pics:
Zitat Rado HyperChrome UTC
The Ultimate Travelling Companion
(Lengnau, Switzerland – April 2013) The world is becoming a smaller place and many of us are travelling more for business and pleasure. But what does the twenty-first century traveller really need when hopping on a plane?
There are only a handful of essential items that no traveller should be without and an accurate watch is one of them. But what is more important: knowing the time at your destination or the time back in your home country so you know when it is OK to call friends, family and business contacts without waking them up?
With the new Rado HyperChrome UTC there is no decision to make as the watch can show two different time zones at the same time. UTC stands for Coordinated Universal Time and is a more accurate take on the traditional ‘GMT’. At Rado, two different time zones also ensure double the style, making this the ultimate travelling companion for fashionable jet setters.
A second time zone on a Rado watch is a rare feature, appearing only on multifunction models and one watch from the 1960s. So, the UTC movement marks a rare foray into complications for the Swiss master of materials.
Material magic
The focus may be on the movement, but this doesn’t mean that the materials have taken a back seat. Not only is the Rado HyperChrome UTC practical and useful, it also benefits from a high-tech ceramic case with the ground-breaking Rado monobloc construction. This ensures lightness, scratch-resistance and comfort, all of which make for a pleasurable travel experience. With three of the four new models sporting plasma high-tech ceramic cases, but without the use of any metal, materials really are still at the forefront of the collection.
With Super-LumiNova® for the indexes and the tips of the hands, the HyperChrome UTC is just as easy to read at night as during the day. The second time zone hand features a striking red or blue tip (dependent on the model) to ensure easy reading even with just a quick glance at the dial.
Lightweight, scratch-resistant and just as at home in the urban jungle as on safari, the Rado HyperChrome UTC should always be the first item on your packing list.
HyperChrome Court models with ceramic bracelet or caoutchouc band, the three colours represent the three sorts of tennis courts: Blue for hard ground, green for grass and orange for sand.
Rado´s press release and pics:
Zitat The Rado HyperChrome Court Collection
Rado serves up another ace with its tennis focused mini-collection
(Lengnau, Switzerland – April 2013) Hard, grass and clay courts are standard fixtures on the professional circuit in the modern game of tennis and Rado tops the rankings with the stunning new tennis-inspired mini-collection from its Rado HyperChrome range. These three new models each represent a different playing surface.
The hard court is represented by the brilliant blue version, grass by gleaming green and clay by an audacious orange. The dial details and hands of each model contain Super-LumiNova® to glow in the dark and help you shine – even during long-lasting endurance matches.
White is normally the colour associated with tennis but Rado is typically unconventional with its latest offering. Each chronograph is dynamic, determined, powerful and made of scratch-resistant but lightweight black matt high-tech ceramic. Sandblasted to perfection for a winning look, matt black high-tech ceramic adds an extra step in the already complex procedure for producing high-tech ceramic watch cases.
Hard to beat
These strong looks will ensure you always look cool on court – no matter how hot it gets, and each super sporty tennis watch can also follow you off court to the pool, the beach, or – for tennis champions – your yacht.
Whether you prefer to hit from the baseline, run in to the net, or play serve and volley, the Rado HyperChrome Court Collection is bound to complement your game. Singles will find it a suitable doubles partner, and when it comes to the style stakes you’ll always be ‘in’. Forehands, backhands, volleys and smashes have never been so well-timed.
Distinctive and eye-catching but with the subtle class and lightweight scratchresistance
associated with all the ceramic models in the Rado HyperChrome collection, the new Rado HyperChrome Court Collection offers comfort and cool in one perfectly formed package.
The new DiaMaster line looks very interesting. Very clear designs, both cases and dials. They look very worthy. Here´s Rado´s press release:
Zitat The new Rado DiaMaster collection
The new face of a Rado legend
(Lengnau, Switzerland – April 2013) DiaMaster is a name that has long been associated with Rado, having graced several super scratch-resistant collections over the years.
In 2013 Rado presents a DiaMaster collection in high-tech ceramic for the first time ever. This is a complete redesign, with only the name remaining from the collections that went before. But the new DiaMaster promises to appeal to DiaMaster diehards and new enthusiasts alike.
Subtle, minimalistic and chic are the key words when it comes to the design of these simple, pared-down ceramic beauties. The new face of Rado has a new face of its own: large open dials for easy readability and an unobscured view.
The ladies collection comprises eight classy quartz models. The collection offers something for every lady – regardless of style. For those who like to look white hot there is an all white model with white ceramic case and white satin strap. Black ceramic features on two models and there is a glittering metallic-look model in plasma high-tech ceramic – which is exclusive to Rado – with 93 Top Wesselton diamonds on the dial. Brilliant.
For gents there is a full range of quartz and automatic models to choose from, each offering clean lines and large, open dials. The plasma high-tech ceramic case on leather strap offers a daring mix of modernity and old school chic.
There is also a set of five manly, supersized chronographs presented in polished black, or plasma high-tech ceramic, as well as a bold and breathtaking full matt black model. With one of these on your wrist time will always be on your side.
Plasma treatment – 21st century alchemy
Plasma high-tech ceramic creates a striking and mysterious metallic brilliance, in a warm grey colour, without the use of any metal. The plasma carburising process is patented and exclusive to Rado and is a form of modern alchemy. Gases activated at 20,000˚C alter the composition of high-tech ceramic without affecting its essential properties. Although only the surface colour of the ceramic is changed as the metallic finish emerges from each piece, it will not fade over time, instead retaining its naturally scratch-resistant shine for years to come.
The DiaMaster may look very different from previous collections but the name alone stands for guaranteed Rado quality and outstanding Rado design.
Facing the future with a brand new look.
I´m sure you will recognise the design of the bracelets and the markers when comparing with some of their famous vintage designs.
"Back to leather" is also a topic - new high grade leather bands are offered with a lot of models.
Also very nice: The chronographs. With the very small subseconds, their look reminds to the old chronographs with only two subdials.
For me the highlight: The DiaMaster RHW1 Limited Edition. The particular design is surely splitting - you love it or you hate it. ;) I love it. The Roman cyphers XII, III, VI united to one style element with the subsecond on the 9 and the moving anchor above but still inner the 3 looks brilliant and ingeniuos for me. The case has a decent bronce colour, which increases the vintage character of the watch. And seems to be fashion, you see a lot of bronce cases everywhere at the moment. What you can´t see on the pics - the case, though it has a very massive presence(45 mm), is ultra light, made from a new high-tech ceramic with half the weight of the one we already know. Inside Rado´s RHW1 movement, obviously based on the ETA/Unitas 6497-1 and made from black anodised hard aluminium. Nice to see, the case has a look-through back. The whole watch has a weight of just 68 g! It will come in September and will cost around 4.100.- €. Rado´s press release:
Zitat Rado DiaMaster RHW1 Limited Edition
Modern materials and a masterful movement for ultimate lightness
(Lengnau, Switzerland – April 2013) The ability to reinvent, constant innovation and pushing the boundaries to effect real change. If this is Rado, then the Rado DiaMaster RHW1 Limited Edition is the epitome of the brand.
The show-stopping stand out piece in a collection of pared-down design watches, the Rado DiaMaster RHW1 mixes the Rado business of high-tech materials with the pleasure of adding something new in the world of watchmaking - this time an unusual movement for a high-tech ceramic watch.
Chosen for being twice as light as standard ceramic, Si3N4 TiN is a form of high-tech ceramic composite that Rado has researched and developed in its latest quest for innovation. Made by heating the mixed powders at 1800 degrees Celsius in an over pressure atmosphere of nitrogen, it is known for its superior wear-resistance.
The ‘old bronze’ colour gives the watch case a rugged, lived-in appearance. This is a watch that seems to have a story or two to tell about where it has been. The choice of leather for the strap adds to the windswept and mysterious appeal of this undeniably cool and manly timepiece.
Hard as nails, light as a feather
The materials may give this DiaMaster its look, but it is the movement that gives the watch its soul. Rado innovations are usually seen in the materials used for the outside of our watches – this DiaMaster also has a Rado innovation on the inside.
Aluminium movements were used in pocket watches in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries because of their lightness. It was this past trend and focus on lightness that inspired Rado to use such a movement – the RHW1, which is exclusive to Rado – for the first time in an extremely light and high-tech wristwatch.
As ever, the Rado designers have given this limited edition a modern twist to create a watch that oozes 21st century style.
Rado: typically unconventional ideas lead to outstanding design.
Back from Baselworld 2013. It was a hard drive and an overwhelming experience. It was pouring with rain last Saturday, so the 5 hours driving on the motorway with lots of roadwork has not really been a pleasure. We started at 3:00, arrived at 8:00, had a breakfast and spent the day at the fair. Exactly in time for our way back, the rain came again - we started at 19:00 and were back at 23:30. The fair is large - impossible to watch everything interesting inner one day. So I reduced my photo activities almost to the Rado booth and visited as much as possible, trying to motivate my kids, who didn´t want to see even more watches after a few hours. ;)
Interesting architecture, the new bulding with the new main entrance, which had been built inner the last year.
Old main entrance
New building
New building
New main entrance
New main entrance
Nice McLaren at the Tag Heuer booth
I actually didn´t plan to visit the fair this year, but was invited by Rado. They are researching about their history at the moment and so came to my HP and finally contacted me. So I have to thank Rado for an interesting day. I got a conducted tour around the Rado booth and had an interesting meeting with some of their marketing people and with CEO Matthias Breschan. He is a very nice and professional guy and IMHO found exactly the right way for a successful future of Rado - building a bridge between the amazing designs of the past and the modern production with high-tech materials. Looking forward to the future but being conscious about the own history.
Rado booth
Rado booth
What they showed: The Hyperchrome line with the Glam Slam-, UTC-, Court- and "normal" models, the DiaMaster line with the sensational RHW1, the D-Star line with the amazing Split Second chronograph, the True Thinline and the Esenza line with the interesting ladies´ Esenza Ceramic Touch. I will show them - model line by model line - with a mix of own and Rado pictures and the info I received.
Diese Uhr wurde aus NOS-Teilen zusammengebaut, ist also quasi wie neu(NOS - New Old Stock, Originalteile, nie benutzt aber gelagert). Die Referenznummer 12114 gehört zu einer Purple Horse. Wunderschönes, originales SK-Armband. Allein von den Teilen her sicherlich ihr Geld(200 US$) wert.
Hier müssen wir einfach zwischen Modellreihe und Version/"einzelnem Modell" unterscheiden. Natürlich sind deine beiden Uhren unterschiedlich, aber nur unterschiedliche Versionen mit unterschiedlicher Referenznummer. Aber beide gehören zur Modellreihe Streamline, denn deine Referenz 11563 ist bis auf das Gehäusematerial und den Zifferblattaufdruck mit meiner identisch. Und deine Referenz 10519 trägt selbst den Modellnamen Streamline. Nur ein Beispiel: die Green Horse wurde von Ende der 1950er bis in die 1980er in unzähligen Versionen hergestellt mit unterschiedlichen Designs, Gehäusen, Zifferblättern, Werken, aber alle gehören zu einer Modellreihe.
Sorry für die späte Antwort, ich muß deine Posts einfach übersehen haben. Einen sehr schönen Chronographen hast du da, Italien als Kaufort passt und die 1950er auch. Das Werk ist mit Sicherheit ein Landeron, ob 149, 248 oder ein anderes kann wohl nur ein Uhrmacher sagen. Mit Sicherheit ist diese Uhr von Rado für Ticin gefertigt worden. Das Gehäuse(nicht nur der Boden) ist aus 18k(= 750/1.000) Gold. Auf dem Boden erkennt man die entsprechenden schweizer Punzen, zunächst die für den Feingehalt. Dann den sog. Verantwortlichkeitsstempel, mit dessen Hilfe man den Hersteller des Goldgehäuses identifizieren kann - in diesem Fall ist es die Kollektivmarke 1(Hammerkopf) mit der Nr. 213 für die Rene Fer SA. Darunter die amtliche schweizer Punze für 18k = 750/1.000 Gold, der Schild mit dem Kopf der Helvetia. Ticin existiert noch heute als italienische Uhrenmarke, allerdings wurden/werden die Uhren nicht selbst in Italien gefertigt, sondern mit Ticin-Signatur auf Gehäuse, Werk und eigenem Zifferblatt angekauft. So auch bei Rado, wo in den 1950ern noch sehr viel "undercover" für andere Anbieter produziert wurde. Ende der 1950er und in den 1960ern war Ticin auch Importeur für Rado in Italien. Einige Uhren waren dann sogar doppelt signiert, mit Rado und Ticin. Solche Chronographen wie deiner wurden von Rado auch mit eigener Signatur verkauft:
Da habe ich wohl die falsche Referenznummer aus dem Katalog genommen, natürlich meinte ich die "Extraflach C"(nicht "E") mit der 11563. Meine Vermutung hat sich somit bestätigt - es gab diese Uhr als "Extraflach" ohne Modellnamen - wie im Katalog und bei deiner - und als Streamline mit aufgedrucktem Modellnamen wie bei meiner. Das Uhrwerk ist übrigens ein FHF 72 mit 21 Steinen. Und es gab eine etwas kleinere Version der Streamline mit zwei Zeigern und der Referenznummer 10519, wie bei deiner anderen. Ob es auch von dieser eine Version ohne Modellnamen gibt, wäre interessant zu wissen. Entweder ist der Modellname bei diesen Uhren später dazugekommen, oder er wurde nur für bestimmte Exportmärkte verwendet.
Ich stelle hier meine Antwort auf deine Email ein - die Modelle sind sehr selten, aber sicher sucht auch irgendwann später mal jemand nach Infos. In deiner Email war noch eine andere, fast identische Uhr enthalten, daher habe ich deine Bilder ergänzt.
Das sind jetzt aber mal wirklich interessante Photos, denn ich versuche gerade selbst, mehr über diese Modelle herauszufinden. Leider ist nur auf einem Bild die Rückseite zu sehen, nämlich die der Streamline mit der Referenznummer 10510. Sie hat wohl entweder ein verchromtes oder ein Edelstahlgehäuse. Ich habe ebenfalls eine Streamline in meiner Sammlung, allerdings mit vergoldetem Gehäuse und der Referenznummer 11563:
Weiterer Unterschied: meine hat einen Sekundenzeiger, wahrscheinlich eine andere, neuere Version, was auch den großen Abstand der Referenznummern erklären würde sowie die modernere Krone. Bei deiner anderen Uhr handelt es sich vermutlich um ein Modell, das als Extraflach bezeichnet wurde und sich im 1962er Katalog findet:
Sie hat dort die Referenznummer 11584. Deine auch? Meine Vermutung war, dass beide Modelle identisch sind und der Name Streamline lediglich für Exportversionen verwendet wurde. Auf deinen Fotos sieht es allerdings so aus, als ob die Streamline etwas kleiner wäre. Ist das so oder liegt es am Foto? An der Echtheit der beiden Uhren habe ich keinerlei Zweifel. Es handelt sich um sehr schöne, extraflache Dresswatches mit sehr schlichtem und klaren Zifferblatt im Bauhaus-Design. Die Gehäuse sind Monocoque-Gehäuse, also einteilig. Zugang zum Werk erhält man durch Abnehmen des armierten Glases - die Aufzugswelle ist zweiteilig und kann auseinandergezogen werden, indem man sehr vorsichtig das Zifferblatt mit dem Fingernagel leicht anhebt und etwas an der Krone dreht und zieht. Diese Beschreibung stammt von einem Uhrmacher aus dem englischsprachigen Rado-Forum, der sich bestens auskennt. Ich habe es aber noch nicht ausprobiert. Gebaut wurden diese Modelle wohl von ca. 1957/58 bis in die 1960er Jahre, Mehr weiß ich auch nicht - bei Rado besitzt man nur fragmentarische Aufzeichnungen über die alten Modelle, da ist leider keine Hilfe zu erwarten.
105.2018.4 ist die Referenznummer. Von diesen sehr flachen Uhren mit Quartzwerk und quadratischem Zifferblatt wurden in den 1980ern viele Varianten gefertigt. Die gesamte Front ist mit einem kratzfesten Saphirglas abgedeckt. Ob diese Uhren zur DiaStar-Serie gehören oder eine eigene Produktlinie bilden, ist mir leider nicht bekannt. Ein schönes Stück jedenfalls und mit ein wenig Reinigen und Polieren des Edelstahl-Armbands sieht sie wieder wie neu aus.
Sorry, für mich sieht das nach einem Fake aus, Wert = 0. Ein Blick auf das Uhrwerk bringt in solchen Fällen immer Gewissheit, einfach mal den Deckel abschrauben.
Thema von mike184 im Forum Everything Vintage RADO
Hi!
The Rado DiaStar celebrates it´s 50th anniversary this year.
Zitat The presentation of the first scratchproof watch in 1962 represented the start of Rado’s success story. Everything began when Rado chief designer at the time, Marc Lederrey, put forward a totally new idea. He was constantly irritated when gold and steel watches, which at the beginning looked beautiful, often showed scratches after only a few days and subsequently had to be polished frequently. Then, tungsten and titanium carbides were only known as extremely resistant materials in the field of high-tech production of special tools. “Making a watch out of this material - that would be the solution," said Lederrey. And Dr. Paul Lüthi, who was at that time the boss of Rado, gave the go-ahead for this development. The result: the first scratchproof watch in the world! (Copyright: Ceratizit)
Carbide case from CERATIZIT for the Swiss watch manufacturer Rado: injection moulded parts before sintering.
The external part during final polishing.
Finished watch case components during washing or optical control.
High-quality Rado watch with a carbide case from CERATIZIT. (Copyright pictures: Rado Watch Co.)
Easy to order at every authorised Rado-dealer. But, as you surely know, very expensive. The problem is the special lugs making it impossible to mount a standard bracelet. You could alternatively enquire at one of those guys offering handmade/customised straps.
Nice to see Henry´s LRs all together, the best one is the sex-watch. He gave a good summary of all we know about Louis Rossel. I own two LRs, one like Henry´s TC cushion and an older diver with AS-movement(but already inner the "high-quality-era"):
[[File:0 LR b.jpg|none|auto]] [[File:0 LR det dial.jpg|none|auto]] [[File:0 LR ETA 2836-1.jpg|none|auto]]
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[[File:0 LR diver a.jpg|none|auto]] [[File:0 LR diver c.jpg|none|auto]] [[File:0 LR diver AS 1913.jpg|none|auto]]
I also own some German vintages after WWII, a few Titoni/Felca and some others, I simply find attractive. Some examples:
[[File:0 Hercules forum a.jpg|none|auto]] [[File:0 Hercules forum HPP 102.jpg|none|auto]] Hercules, Henzi & Pfaff, HPP 102, ca. 1949
30.01.2014 01:32
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